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[Editors Journal 2007]

27 December 2007

Dear lcviews reader,

2007 is coming to a close. Depending on where you come from you may celebrate this in different ways. In my country the kids like the so-called crackers; i.e. a decorated paper tube that makes a sharp noise ("crack!") and releases a small toy when two people pull it apart. They are often “too cheap” – and the “toys” inside are rubbish. Many of them however may contain a short joke or “words of wisdom”. Yesterday I got one which said:

“Nonsense is views which are different from your own”.

I came to relate this to lcviews because I sincerely believe that lcviews is the exact opposite; lcviews strive for different views, angles etc. To lcviews there is no nonsense – only honest views. It does not mean that we all agree all the time – there are fierce battles no doubt – but it is battles based on arguments – fought openly and respectfully! These are the kind of battles that makes us all a bit wiser every single day … These are the kind of battles that lcviews will continue to fight also during 2008. You are hereby invited …

Let me also take this opportunity to thank you for passing by lcviews.com. It is truly appreciated. On behalf of the editorial board I wish you a happy and healthy 2008.

My best regards

Kim

Ps. To underline the above – I have today posted a wonderful comment by Mr. Suleyman – he has taken my (somewhat traditional) view and turned it into an almost philosophical comment providing really good practical guidance and advice. That is what lcviews is all about!

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5 December 2007

December already! To me this signifies giving presents. Already in November I received a present that I wish to share with you. It is a hand made drawing – and it is made by Bogdan Ilie – our new editorial board member. I have made a scanned version of it:

This scanning does in no way add justice to the picture – however if you click on it you will access a full size picture that you can download to your own computer – and print if you like. It you look carefully you will see the magnitude of details – and if you move away you will see the full beauty of it.

Bogdan who made this beautiful picture tells me that he - whenever he is off from work (hard core LC work) - he goes home – with no computers – and spends his spare time drawing and listening to music. This really has made me think about my life. It is so refreshing to see an LC specialist – so specialized on a single area – being able to express him self so beautifully and artistic. To me this is true balance! It goes without saying that I am truly thankful for this gift – and it is hereby shared with you.

Speaking of balance: The last couple of months - it has been really interesting to observe the LC community. In lcviews.com we have experienced record activity on our website – and the number of “connections” is still growing – almost on a daily basis. We are receiving more questions than we used to – and it is appreciated.

A few days during last week the website http://letterofcreditforum.com/ was unavailable – and it was interesting to see that lcviews.com would get a number of questions as to why that was. Looking at the website (which is now up and running again) it is obvious that they experience high activity too.

The point that I am making here is that it seems that there is a huge need for places to discuss LC related issues – other than the fee-paying “official” platforms. What I find truly great is that also LC beneficiaries’ takes part of the discussion – thereby enlightening the LC bankers as to how they are thinking and what their concerns are.

Also – looking at http://letterofcreditforum.com/ it is striking to see how many requests there are for LC related literature – in focus right now is the “Commentary on UCP 600” – and it seems that so many people do not have access to it – but really urge to read it – to learn from it. Given that the better knowledge the people working with LCs have – the better it will work out – for the benefit of all – my wish for the future is that these publications will at one point in time (!!) be available on the internet free of charge. In any case – also in 2008 lcviews.com will keep on giving “presents” away free of charge – in the form of articles, answers, angles and LC views

Best regards

Kim

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  18 November 2007

We welcome Bogdan

It is a pleasure to welcome Mr. Bodgan Ilie to the editorial board of lcviews. You may have noted that he has participated often on lcviews via answers to single windows questions – as well as providing comments to Editors Journal. You may also have seen the comments of Bogdan if you are a member of the DC-Pro Focus – as he is an active participant in the Discussion Forum. I personally believe Bogdan to be a perfect match for lcviews because he is a practitioner working with real LC transactions – at the same time enjoys discussing the LC instrument – and for that matter the UCP. That combination of a hard core practical approach and an intellectual one – is actually the foundation on which lcviews is build.

Mr. Bogdan Ilie has of course been added to “Who’s Who in LC World – Online”. Check his bio here.

 

Coastline solution newsletter

Available online is a new newsletter from Coastline Solutions (http://www.coastlinesolutions.com/news.htm), in which Mr. Gary Collyer – amongst other things – provides insight as to the latest meeting in the ICC Banking Commission (end October). In addition he addresses two issues that have also been discussed at lcviews:

The “Commentary on UCP 600”

What sounds like a comment to the review on the "Commentary" published on lcviews Mr. Collyer writes the following:

For those that are looking for an A-Z of letters of credit or examples of how the rules should be applied, you will probably be disappointed. The Drafting Group decided very early in the process that the Commentary would look at the issues debated in our discussions and why the words say what they do. Examples are often taken too literally as was found with those given in ICC Position Paper No. 4. Then, some banks took the view that those examples were the only way in which a transport document could be signed, even though there were other equally acceptable methods.

Personally I have been chewing on those lines for the last couple of days. I must admit that it did surprise me quite a bit to see the chairman of UCP drafting group argue against providing clarity as to the practical application of the very rules he has been the driving force in making.

I have actually been waiting eagerly for the “Commentary” for more than one year. I am a banker – and my hope was that this book would help me to explain the new wordings of the UCP 600 to my customers. They of course need to understand the difference from a practical point of view – i.e. the practical application of those rules. This is no game – if the bankers are not able to provide a common practical understanding to their customers - i.e. the users of the LC instrument – then what is the point?

Place of receipt <> port of loading

Also made available are the 239 words used in ICC Opinion TA.635 to describe what UCP 500 did in 83 words. More interesting of course is if the practical application is clear and precise. It seems however that this is still being discussed by the LC community – where some simply refuse to accept TA.635 (!!) – others are discussing if there are scenarios where the UCP 600 will differ from the UCP 500 on this issue. One example mentioned is where the place of receipt is clearly an inland point – mentioning a “truck”. At this point in time it seems unclear – if such would still require the UCP 500 “extended” on board notation.

In any case it seems that the LC community will have many interesting issues to discuss also in the future.

You can of course follow these on lcviews.com – and as always I invite your comments – ideas – topics ….

Best regards

Kim

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  8 November 2007

The ”Commentary on UCP 600” is out now!

As promised lcviews.com dedicate a page to this important LC publication. Available right now are two articles. The aim it to evaluate the book as objectively as possible - from as many angles as possible. In that respect one must realize that the truth is not “fixed”; there are of course other equally important and correct views on the book than the ones presented right here - right now.

We kindly and strongly ask for your view on this book in order to present a picture as multifarious and balanced as possible.

 

The UCP 600 has now been in force for 4 months. People are starting to get used to it. Some may have “taken it in” – while others do as they use to. To me the vital issue is to evaluate where “practice – as it goes on in real life” has been affected by those new rules. This week I had a question that I want to share with you – as this is one case where a change in practice (perhaps) was indented by the UCP 600 Drafting group:

It is regarding the name of the beneficiary in the LC compared to that stated in the invoice. I have “neutralised” the name in the below example – so that focus can be on the principle.

The case is as follows:

Beneficiary name as per LC:

ABC IMP and EXP Company of Guandong

Beneficiary name as per invoice:

ABC IMP and EXP Company of Guangdong

You will note that the only change is the “g” in “Guangdong”. The issuing bank refused the documents because of this extra “g” in the invoice – which by the way (as you may know) is the correct way of spelling Guangdong (!!)

This is a case that you may argue around all that you like. The focus I will take here is actually the “Commentary on UCP 600”; which on page 64 describes the new standard for examining documents presented under an LC. It is said that “Consequently, this new standard does not require a mirror image of data

My question is: with this “new principle” at hand – would I be able to fight such silly refusals?

I think “yes” – what do you think? Your comments appreciated.

 

Another issue:

Since my last posting lcviews.com had the pleasure of presenting the Vietnamese LC Specialist Nguyen Huu Duc to the international public. He has previously published articles in his native Vietnamese – but the article “Recourse in case the documents are discrepant or forged” is his first article in English. We are proud that he chose lcviews.com for that – and look forward to publish other articles from him in the future.

Nguyen Huu Duc has been added to “Whos Who in LC World – online”.

Kim

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Comments to the newsletter:

From Bogdan Iile:

Dear Kim,

In the case you presented concerning the name of the beneficiary, it is obvious that you are facing a misspelling of the beneficiary’s name in the LC.

I think it is common sense to understand that the beneficiary of the LC will indicate his correct name on the documents, notwithstanding the LC evidence otherwise.

If the LC should mentioned the name of the beneficiary as follows:

AXZ IMP and EXP Company of Guandong”

and the invoice:

ABC IMP and EXP Company of Guangdong”

then it would have been a discrepancy. To me it is logical and of common sense to understand when you are facing a simple misspelling and when you are facing two different entities.

I faced similar cases but when sending the documents the the issuing/confirming bank I mentioned the correct name of the beneficiary.

When UCP Drafting Group wrote “not require a mirror image of data” I believe they were having such case in mind. The problem is the individual interpretation of he meaning of “not require a mirror image of data”

Consequently, such discrepancies will not cease (unfortunately). But hope dies last!

Regards,

Bogdan

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From Frank

Dear Kim,

To a reasonable documents examiner, there could be no doubt that this case is obviously a misspelling error, no matter who causes it. Rejection due to such reason is to ruin the L/C efficiency, and even worse, to repel the beneficiary's confidence in the credit.

Best of all, the interpretation of documents examination standard in "Commentary on UCP600” would be an effective argument against such ridiculous "discrepancy", if the issuing bank may be sensible after all. However, if the issuing bank persists in "strict compliance", the debate will turn out to be boring! (Who knows to what extent the document examination should be strict or not strict? ---it is hard to say, of course.)

As to the result, I think it is a toss-up. Chance is 50/50.

Best regards

Frank

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From Abdulkader

Spelling of names is a big issue in our area because the names are Arabic names but when written in English they could have different forms. For example my name Abdulkader maybe written in different forms; some write my name as

Abdul Kader

AbdulKader

Abdulqader

Abd El-Kadr

Abd el-Kadir

etc

This form of writing my name never has changed me as a person. I’m the same person that the different forms referred to. I believe all this forms although inconsistent with each other they don’t pass conflicting message or information to a native Arab.

Having said that there could be cases where the name is registered as a trade mark in a country different to the native country of the name and is written in alphabets not of the origin of the name, there could be issues. The person who is foreign to the name would not possibly know for example if Abdulkqader and Abdul Kader refer to the same name or person and would most likely consider this as unknown name to the credit and not just a different form of writing the same name or just a mere misspelling.

To conclude, because we are talking about a name of a person or entity and not just a common name of goods, service or performance written in the original language used for such common names, it may sometimes be difficult to accept your argument based on article 14d.

Best Regards

Abdulkader

 


27 October 2007

In school we learn that 2 plus 2 equals 4. In life we learn to distinguish right from wrong – although right or wrong in life may seem somewhat abstract these days. We still however believe that it is possible to distinguish.

It seems that this “quest” for right or wrong is also being applied to the UCP. As such this is natural – as a banker of course need to know what is right and what is wrong – i.e. what to consider a discrepancy – and what to accept.

However the “right or wrong” concept in UCP matters is by nature different from the mathematics example used above. 2 plus 2 will always equal 4 – and 2 plus 2 is simply not 5!

In UCP matters – the right or wrong is not based on mathematics. It is based on the concept of “consensus”. In UCP matters what is right is basically what a majority of the national ICC Committees considers to be right – and what a national ICC Committee considers to be right is what a majority of the members of that Committee considers to be right.

Or perhaps more correctly in most of the cases: “Right” is the statement that does not have a majority against it – i.e. silence means “accept”!

It is important to have this in focus when discussing UCP matters. If e.g. your view turns out to be wrong on a specific issue, it does not necessarily mean that you have misunderstood the whole thing – or misunderstood the UCP for that matter. It just means that you are a minority on this issue.

This is e.g. what has just happened on the case of Place of receipt <> port of loading. This week the case was decided upon at the ICC Banking Commission. Read the outcome here.

Also launched at this meeting was the Commentary on the UCP 600. As promised: lcviews.com will open a page on that one soonest possible – so please look out for it.

Again - we invite you to provide us your views or comments on this book once you have read it. We will collect those views on the website for the benefit of others. Thanks in advance.

On the meeting a huge pile of ICC Opinions were approved. Once we have the updated versions at hand – we will discuss some of those – so please look out for it.

Kim

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16 October 2007

There always is a ”funny” mood just before the meetings in the ICC Banking Commission. The National Commissions will meet – hot topics will be discussed – both national and international. E-mails are being exchanged; will I see you? When will you arrive? Can we meet in the bar? 

In just one week the commission will meet again – and perhaps this time the mood is “funnier” than ever. It is the first meeting after the “implementation date” of the UCP 600. This means that we have had almost four months to see how it works in “real life”. In addition to that it is expected that the “Commentary on UCP 600” is out “soon”. With ICCs usual perfect sense of timing my best guess is that it will be released during the ICC meeting. Perhaps there will be a small “book store” just outside the conference room.

Read more on the commentary on ICC Bookstore:

http://www.iccbooks.com/Home/Commentary.aspx

On this meeting it seems that there will me many issues to discuss. First of all it seems obvious that the issue of “exclusions” will be addressed – mainly (but not solely) the issue of documents being lost in transit (UCP 600 article 35 – second part).

Also recently another issue emerged; namely the one regarding UCP 600 article 20; where the bill of lading indicates a place of receipt different from the port of loading.

This issue has been presented on lcviews.com  

It is expected that many “practical issues” will fall into place at that meeting. Therefore it is important that the bankers coming home from the meeting validate the views from the meeting against how they do business – and adjust where necessary.

In lcviews.com we will focus on exactly that after the ICC meeting – trying to guide LC practitioners through this jungle of various practices – some changed, some modified and some status quo. One main source – like or not – will no doubt be the “UCP 600 Commentary”. So that publication will most likely be the “hottest” publication for the time to come. Surely it will be examined very carefully by LC specialists around the world.

Already now we invite you to provide us your views or comments on this book once you have read it. We will collect those views on the website for the benefit of others. Thanks in advance.

That was all I had chosen this time. Feel free to submit your comments directly to me.

I will be back soon. Take care.

Kim

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3 October 2007

The world is changing fast – information is being exchanged at high speed regardless what part of the earth you are communicating with. For a traditional slow instrument like the LC this can be rather breath taking.

With these words of introduction I welcome you to “Editors Journal” – a brand new part of lcviews.com where I will comment on the LC world as such – trying to touch relevant events as they happen – and communicate thoughts and views as they appear in my head.

However for starters I would like to dwell on the fact that it is now a couple of months since lcviews.com re-opened. In that time there have been a number of updates to the website. Although an “Open community” all material is undergoing some kind of editorial process – just as we have a highly competent editorial board making sure that the posted material have a sufficiently high level of expertise. So with the opening lines in mind it is important to say that lcviews.com is not a fast discussion forum – you can not just add an article or a posting to the website – like you can on e.g. http://letterofcreditforum.com/ . Although this is often joyful reading you do not know exactly who is responding, or whether they are expressing how they would like things to be or how they really are. That being said it is good to see such initiatives rise – as it has otherwise been the sole domain of the ICC. If nothing else http://letterofcreditforum.com/ manages to allow room from LC Specialists that would otherwise not have the chance of speaking their voice.

As for speaking the voice; during the last week or so – one issue more or less exploded in a way that is rarely seen within the LC Community. The issue relates to UCP 600 article 20 on whether or not a bill of lading that shows a place of receipt prior to port of loading requires the “extended” on board notation; i.e. also including vessel name and port. The background was a newsletter from Gary Collyer the Technical Adviser for the ICC Banking Commission (http://www.coastlinesolutions.com/News.htm). It seems that the LC community is “split” on this one. On lcviews.com we posted a somewhat ironic article on the topic (Art 20 place of receipt) and in the DC-Pro forum Gary Collyer actually made two postings on the issue. It is his first two ever in that forum – so it is actually a historical discussion!

I have been commenting quite a bit on this one – so I will only say this: It is actually possible to apply the interpretation that Gary Collyer does here. To me however it seems that the line of argumentation and pure logic has major flaws – both in regards to why a clear UCP 500 rule was changed into a UCP 600 rule open to interpretation, as well as why it should be interpreted as Gary Collyer says.

To me it simply looks like a drafting mistake (heavily underlined by the removal of ISBP (2003) paragraph 82). I would wish they would just say:

The intention was only to simplify the UCP 600 – not to change practice. In hindsight we accept that this change may have caused confusion as to the practical application of this rule. This was not the intention either”.

Had they done that on an early stage I think that much trouble had been avoided.

In any case the issue is addressed in one of the “ICC Opinions” to be discussed at the meeting in the Banking Commission 24 and 25 October this year. It will be interesting to see what comes out of that.

Otherwise on the newsletter by Gary Collyer: It is my impression that it is actually helpful to the LC Community. Especially the strong statements regarding UCP 600 article 35 (Second part; documents lost in transit) is highly appreciated. I need to quote the following lines:

 “By excluding article 35, I cannot perceive that any nominated bank will agree to honour or negotiate

Also pointing at the opening lines of this posting – it is my intention that lcviews.com should also “investigate” future possibilities of the LC instrument as such. For that purpose we have opened “LC Action” – and it is my hope that slowly but steadily this one will grow. For whatever it is worth it is my strong belief that the needs that the LC cover is universal – but that does not mean that you can not innovate the LC instrument – for the purpose of making it easier and cheaper for the importers and exporters.

That was all I had chosen for this first posting in “Editors Journal”. Feel free to submit your comments directly to me.

I will be back soon. Take care.

Kim

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Comments to the newsletter:

From Bogdan Iile:

Dear Kim,

Let say you have a LC stating under 44E Southampton port and you receive a B/L stating:

Place of receipt: Grimsby port
Port of loading: Southampton
Vessel: Enterprise

Preprinted wording stating
Goods shipped on board in apparent good order and condition weight measure, quality, condition, contents and value unknown for carriage to the port of discharge…

Can you or can you not reject such b/l under UCP 600 and could it or could it not have been rejected under UCP 500 ?

Under UCP600 you cannot reject it as the port of loading is the one stated in the LC.

If you decide to reject, on what ground would you do this?

In case of rejection, the remitting bank can reply you asking on which UCP article your rejection is based.

You would engage yourself in a long, stressing debate. Can you reject documents based on “international banking practice “/”industry practice”/”real life” only? I don’t think so!

Under UCP500 you could have rejected based on article 23a(ii).

I would also take another case:

LC stating only field 44A (Grimsby port) and asking for a port to port BL. No clarification/amendment issued.

In such a case I would accept a BL indicating:

Place of receipt : Grimsby port
Port of loading: Southampton
Vessel: Enterprise,

On the condition of an on board notation indicating port of loading and vessel’s name.

Best regards,

Bogdan

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Kim replies:

Dear Bogdan,

I agree with you ... but I guess that the ICC does not :-)

The second example is a bit tricky - as it may be an ambiguity due to wrong use of the "from" and "to" SWIFT fields.

Thanks for sharing.

Best regards

Kim

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From Bogdan Iile:

Good morning Kim.

I might be wrong but after reading DC PRO I have the feeling that UCP600 (at least art.20a) is made for professionals only.

For a beginner UCP 500s article 23a(ii) would be much more helpful than UCP 600s art.20a(iii).

Based on UCP 600, to correctly interpret the articles involved, you have to have a good and long practice experience, to know how things work in real life, to have sufficient knowledge of transport industry practice, to have achieved some training on LCs.

In banks more and more young people are working in different domains including LCs. They have to gain experience but until then they may cause many problems due to wrong interpretations which will result in client’s dissatisfaction.

I don’t want to leave the impression that UCP should be written as a beginner’s manual. But the fact that some “details” have been omitted (taken out) don’t help at all.

Having in view that LCs are considered too “heavy” and expensive for a world where things are changing so fast and much, a Publication “offering” the possibility to give different interpretations and obliging you to spend time on looking for official or unofficial opinions of the experts, is not helpful at all.

The more you are away from day to day LC practice the more you are inclined to choose general terms instead of details. The more general terms are – the more interpretations you will have to deal with. It isn’t my intention to offence anyone, but I think that some experts would review their opinion after returning in practice for one month and find that they have become a poor document checker. I do not question anyone’s knowledge and experience – by the contrary I respect it, but I think that seeing the various interpretations from document checkers from all over the world, would (should) change an expert’s point of view.

This is just an opinion that might be very much wrong. But this is what I feel and think and if everything would have been crystal clear in UCP I would never had such opinion.

I pay all my respect to all those who agree with me and to those who disagree with me because they make me wonder if I’m right or not.

I wish you a nice day .

Best regards,

Bogdan