Sheilar from China:
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Dear Kim,
Recently I have read many articles from the
prestigious LC Views website, most of which, especially yours are quite
helpful and valuable for my work in a bank. Frankly speaking, it’s
amazing to read your words about LC.
As for UCP 600 and ISBP 681, there is something
really uncertain for me, about which
Maybe you can give me some explanation.
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Topic1:
UCP 600
article 20
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Q
No.1:
According to UCP 500 Art. 23, if the bill of
lading indicates a place of receipt different from the port of loading,
the on board notation must also include the port of loading stipulated
in the Credits and the name of the vessel on which the goods have been
Loaded. However, these wordings have disappeared in UCP 600 Art. 20.
Does it imply that under UCP 600, on board notation without indication
of port of loading or the name of vessel is O.K. even if the place of
receipt is different from the port of loading?
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Topic2:
ISBP para 158
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Q
No.2:
The first sentence in ISBP 681 paragraph 158
shows that only rail and inland Waterway transport document will be
accepted as original whether or not it is marked as original. Compared
with ISBP 645, this used to apply to three transport documents including
road transport document. Is it a change or merely a mistake in typing?
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Topic3:
UCP 600
article 20(a)(v)
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Q
No.3:
With reference to UCP 600 Art. 20(a)(v),
contents of terms and conditions of carriage will not be examined.
However, if some terms indicated on the surface of bill of lading like
“Goods will only be delivered against issuing bank’s guarantee” has
unfavorably affected the function of bill of lading, should the bank
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Sheilar from China
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Dear Sheilar,
Thanks for your e-mail and your kind words.
I can see that you surely know how to point out
the soft spots :-) So let me try to provide my view of things (without
any responsibility or liability):
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Topic1:
UCP 600
article 20 |
Q
No.1
My view is that this rule has been removed - and
therefore does not apply anymore.
If you look at ISBP (2003) you will see that
paragraph 82 (Hong Kong CY versus Hong Kong) has not been carried
forward to ISBP (2007) - since this was linked to UCP 500, article
23(a)(ii) - paragraph 5 to me this underline the view that the rules
does not apply anymore.
So as far as I am concerned the on board
notation should comply with UCP 600 article 20(a)(ii).
I guess the tricky part is that there have been
quite many views - and much discussion on this one - so it is still open
how the "practical interpretation" of this will be. We will only find
that out when e.g. someone puts a query on this one to the ICC.
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Topic2:
ISBP para 158 |
Q
No.2
Again: good question.
I think that the ISBP words you quote (based on
UCP 600, article 24(b)(ii) and (iii)) are inserted to underline that it
is industry practice to issue them this way. As far as I can tell this
is superfluous as the originality is based on article 17 - which does
not require that all originals are marked originals – but merely gives
this as one way on making the a document “original”.
So my personal view is that any transport
document must be originals according to article 17.
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Topic3:
UCP 600
article 20(a)(v)
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Q
No.3
Good one :-)
The purpose of the article that you quote is
that banks are not to read all the small print on the transport document.
If there is a clear and visible clause that
indicates that the bill of lading presented is not enough to obtain
release of the goods - my view would be that such is not acceptable.
Also please note ISBP (2007) paragraph 114.
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I hope this helps you.
Should you have comments or further questions, please do not hesitate to
contact me.
Best regards
Kim
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Sheilar from China:
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| Dear Kim,
What a surprise to receive your reply so
soon!
I'm so lucky and so grateful for your help.
Your point of view really gives me better understanding of
stipulations under UCP 600.
This weekend I have been invited to give
lecture training for our customers about UCP 600, who are exporters
in the industry of CD and CDR. I guess there will more query on this
issue. If there is something valuable and interesting, maybe I will
contact you again.
Thank you for what you have done to me.
Best regards
Sheilar from China
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Sheilar from China:
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Dear Kim,
Your brilliant opinion on UCP 600 helped me in
my lecture training for our customers last
Saturday. They have many queries on transportation documents, especially
on forwarder’s bill of lading.
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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As you know, some credits bear clause like “Forwarder
bill of lading acceptable”.
As there is nothing specific in UCP and ISBP to
describe the characteristics of such documents,
the concept of “freight forwarder” is quite confusing. How can we know
that a bill of lading is issued by a forwarder? Is it judged merely by
the issuer’s name (e.g. “xxx agency” or “xx logistic”) or something else?
Although ICC Publication no.632 R225 refers to such bill of lading, the
relative analysis of ICC however puts focus on the circumstances
how forwarder’s bill of lading should be signed
without mentioning the features of the
issuer – in this case the forwarder.
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Topic3:
UCP 600
article 20(a)(v)
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As for your personal view of my previous Q No.3,
I really agree with you. That’s for sure that banks usually refuse bills
of lading with clause like “Goods will be delivered
against issuing bank’s guarantee.” However, it’s difficult to
search for reason for such refusal in both UCP
and ISBP, isn’t it? Does it reflect that some banking practice goes
beyond the stipulations of UCP 600 and ISBP (2007)?
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Best
regards
Sheilar from China
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Kim from Denmark:
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Dear Sheilar,
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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As you may know – the issue of the freight forwarders
is of high interest to me. There are documented practices regarding the
freight forwarder. Let me try to illustrate this to you:
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Scenario 1:
The
L/C is silent as to freight forwarders |
UCP
600 article 14(l):
A
transport document may be issued by any party other than a carrier,
owner, master or charterer provided that the transport document
meets the requirements of articles 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 24 of these
rules.
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Scenario 2:
LC
text: Transport document issued by a
Freight Forwarder is acceptable |
ISBP
(2007) paragraphs 72 (MMTD), 95 (B/L), 138 (AWB)
72.
If a credit states "Freight Forwarder's Multimodal transport
document is acceptable" or uses a similar phrase, then the
multimodal transport document may be signed by a freight forwarder
in the capacity of a freight forwarder,
without the need to identify itself as carrier or agent for the
named carrier. In this event, it is not necessary to show the name
of the carrier.
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Scenario 3:
LC
text: Transport document issued by a
Freight Forwarder is not acceptable |
ICC
opinion TA.572
The
terminology “Transport document issued by Freight Forwarder not
acceptable” is an ambiguous term … the bank would be obliged to
accept a bill of lading that was signed “as carrier” irrespective of
any knowledge they may have as to the capacity of the issuer.
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Variation a:
LC
text: Master Air Waybill consigned to … |
ICC
opinion TA.621
UCP
500 Article 27 is silent on the effect of a HAWB No. or a MAWB No.
As long as an Air Waybill issued by a freight forwarder fulfils the
requirements of UCP 500 sub-Article 27(a)(i) in conjunction with UCP
500 Article 30, and thereby clearly shows that it is a carrier-type
document, there is no ground for rejecting
such transport document solely for the reason that it shows a HAWB
No. or a MAWB No.
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Variation b:
LC
text: Transport document issued by a
Freight Forwarder is not acceptable even if signed as carrier or
agent for the carrier |
No
ICC practice exist !
This
clause is a reaction to TA.572 – and is an attempt to underline that
documents that appear to be issued by freight forwarders are really
not acceptable. E.g.:
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FIATA documents
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FBL / HAWB
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Companies with
”forwarder” or similar in their name
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The above is taken from my new power point
slides on freight forwarders. They are part of a seminar I am holding in
September for exporters and transport companies regarding transport
documents versus documentary credits. You are the first to see this -
and it might be subject to changes - but I expect that the core
conclusions will help you.
In any case ICC opinions TA.572 and TA.621 is
important in the understanding of how the LC bankers perceive the
freight forwarder.
I would also like to refer to two articles on
this issue:
- DCInsight Vol. 11 No.3 July - September 2005:
End the fuss about transport documents issued by forwarders
Although acknowledging the current practice – I suggest a new one –
as far as I can see much more in line with industry practice – and
common sense for that matter.
- DC World Volume 11, Number 7
(July/August 2007): The logic of UCP logic
Where I discuss TA.621 – and analyze the ways to argue in this
specific matter.
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Topic3:
UCP 600
article 20(a)(v) |
As for Q No.3; the concept of "International
Standard Banking Practice" is rather wide - and may actually change over
time; so indeed there are "practices" not directly mentioned in ISBP or
UCP; it may be in ICC Opinions, DOCDEX decisions, ICC Decisions or for
that matter Positions Papers (however only applicable to UCP 500).
So what I did in answering your questions - I
searched for identical scenarios in the existing ICC publications. I was
not able to find those - but did then rely on ISBP (2007) paragraph 114
- and applied the same principle. On this one you may in fact argue both
ways - and if you are in a dispute you may present a query to the ICC -
in order to establish precise on that exact issue.
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questions to any of this, just let me know.
Best regards
Kim
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Sheilar from China:
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Dear Kim,
Thanks very much for your kind and generous help.
For me, it's not so easy to obtain material of ICC opinion. But you have
offered me so much.
I am so sorry to have bothered you when you were
busy with your work yesterday. I can feel your enthusiasm for this field
of LC.
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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As one of your sincere readers, I also feel especially
proud that I'm your first reader of the slides and your new article on
freight forwarders. They are great.
I like the slides very much, which display what
you want to say more easily to understand. As far as I concerned the
reason why ICC emphasizes the capacity in relation to a transport
document with "freight forwarder" is that this is a easily operational
way for bankers to examine documents, compared with the effort to
identify the nature of the issuer( e.g. to tell whether or not they are
issued by forwarder.) isn't it?
I'm reading your new article the Logic of UCP
Logic. I do have some idea about that. But please give me more time to
read it carefully. Once I have a clear idea about it, I will let you
know.
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regards
Sheilar from China
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Kim from Denmark:
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Hi
Sheilar,
Thanks - glad you liked it. Any comments are
highly appreciated.
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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I would like to offer one comment on the background
for the ICC "perception" of the freight forwarder. My personal view is
that the reason for this is based in history. In the beginning the "freight
forwarder" was an "intermediary" between e.g. shipper and the shipping
line - so they would always have some kind of "agent" role.
As time has progressed this has changed - so
that the freight forwarder offers services in their own name - assuming
the full responsibility (e.g. “as carrier”). So what I am trying with my
articles is to make the banking community understand this - so that they
will change the perception of the freight forwarder - and thereby change
"practice".
The big challenge is - that there may be huge
regional differences between freight forwarders. In the Nordic countries
the freight forwarder is highly regulated - and there is mandatory
liability insurance. In the Middle East however it is not regulated at
all - and everyone can call themselves a freight forwarder - which of
course makes it more risky - and which is the reason for the reluctance
towards the freight forwarder in that part of the world.
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Thanks
again and have a nice day.
Best regards
Kim
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Sheilar from China:
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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Thanks for your articles, which give me a good
opportunity to study the topic of freight forwarder. At the same time,
I've read many other ones with different opinion in both English and
Chinese. On the whole, I believe bills of lading issued by freight
forwarder will be O.K. provided they are "carrier type" assuming full
responsibility of carrier.
Is "NOVCC" a developed form of freight
forwarder? Your articles do not mention that. In China, NOVCC is not a
brand new term at all. There are also such documents issued by NOVCC
signed “as carrier”, which seems to be practice in this industry.
However, the great concern of the public about
such documents, is that it does not provide enough protection to the
shipper (or applicant of credits) when he suffer loss due to the default
of the actual carriage carrier. This has also been pointed out in
articles by T.O. Lee. In this case, as the shipper is not the contract
party in the carriage contract with the actual carrier, he can not file
a claim against the actual carrier nor against the insurance company if
he wanted to. The insurance company inclines to dishonor the claim of
the shipper when it finds that the shipper isn't the direct contract
party in the contract with the actual carrier, and consequently without
the right to claim on the real carrier. The refusal of the insurance
company is due to the worry that it would not have subrogation rights
against the real carrier if it pays to the shipper. This seems the real
problem with such documents issued by NOVCC. Such issue has also been
disclosed in some Chinese articles. In this regard, is there any
solution to protect the interest of shipper or applicant of credit so
that such document would be accepted without any concern? I'm not sure
whether this problem remains in all "carrier type" bill of lading issued
by freight forwarder.
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Topic5:
ICC Practice
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I like your way of analysis in your new article the
Logic of ICC Logic. It helps me look at the issue in different
directions. Do you have the intention that ICC opinion should always
stay the same without introducing change of practice?
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| Have a nice weekend!
Sheilar from China
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Kim from Denmark:
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Hi
Sheilar,
Thanks for your e-mail. Very interesting and
appreciated.
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Topic6:
Sheilars background
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First of all - I am not exactly sure what your
background is. Are you a banker? I think
that your concerns regarding the freight forwarder is relevant - but I
think that there is one focus that you should maintain: Documents
presented under an LC - are to be examined by bankers - who are not
transport experts. Therefore all these arguments regarding "protection",
"insurance companies" etc. may be correct - but make only little sense
in the process of examining the documents. This is what I was trying to
say under the "industry logic" paragraph in the article "logic of UCP
logic".
I know T.O. Lee of course - and I am
sure that within the LC community he is most likely the expert that
knows most of e.g. transport and insurance. This is valid knowledge -
but the principles for examining LC documents must be based on the fact
that this process is carried out by bankers - who are not transport
experts.
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC
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So to answer your questions:
NVOCC - means "non-vessel-operating-common-carrier";
i.e. a company that assumes carrier responsibility without being the
actual owner of the vessel. (This is sometimes referred to as
contracting carrier).
Compared to the freight forwarder you can say
the following:
The freight forwarder is a company that performs
a number of transport related tasks - and assumes all kinds of "responsibilities".
The Nordic rules for freight forwarders make a distinction between "intermediary"
and "carrier". So a NVOCC may in fact be a freight forwarder who has
assumed that function - for a specific transport. A NVOCC may however
also be another "type" of company.
As for how the parties are protected when a
freight forwarder acts "as carrier". What you mention may be correct in
some parts of the world - like in China or for that matter Saudi Arabia.
It is however not true in the Nordic Countries. Here the freight
forwarder is highly regulated - and subject to mandatory insurance.
You should also bear in mind that there exist
huge freight forwarding companies - where it would never be questioned
if they were reliable. At the same time you may have "back ally shipping
lines" - that even though they sign "as carrier" - I would not place my
bets on them :-)
See also various LC texts from Middle East banks
- which say that bill's of lading issued by certain named shipping
lines, are not acceptable. These "lists" are based on specific
experience - and by no means limited to "freight forwarders".
So my conclusion is that it is simply impossible
for the LC banker examining the documents to know whether or not the "company"
signing the transport document "as carrier" is trustworthy or not – or
for that matter how a potential case would be solved – as that would
depend on applicable law.
Therefore to answer you question - as to what to
do about it: Well if you suspect that this may be a problem - then be as
specific as you can in the LC. For example say who exactly is to issue
the transport documents; i.e. the one with whom the contract of carriage
has been made.
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Topic5:
ICC Practice |
For the last part; well I think that practice should
be changed - when there is a reason to do so. In any case IF you change
practice you should realize that, so if in TA.621 (on the Master air
waybill) there was a majority to NOT accept this document - then the
banking commission should realize that this would also change TA.572 -
i.e. change current practice – which would also affect ISBP (2007)
paragraphs 72 (MMTD), 95 (B/L), 138 (AWB). So to me the “right” timing
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you.
Best regards
Kim
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Sheilar from China:
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Hi Kim,
Thanks for your kind words. They are helpful and
convincing.
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Topic6:
Sheilars background |
I apologize for my boldness, for I should have told
you my work more specific. Yes, I'm a banker, working in the
International Department of Agricultural Bank of China, Shantou Branch
(a coastal city of Guangdong, the homeland of respectable enterpriser
Mr. Li jiacheng). Welcome to Shantou!
My job is about import/export documents, trade
finance and agency of cargo insurance as well. Though it may be trivial
and tiresome to some, I like it very much. I also like to write articles
for Foreign Exchange (in Chinese) and Foreign Trade and Practice (in
Chinese). According to my experience, better knowledge of transportation
documents, insurance and international laws will do well to my work,
especially to risk assessment in trade finance and consulting service
for our customers, however somewhat irrelevant to document examining.
Customers expect bankers to be professional not only in international
banking, but also in other relevant aspects. This is why I need
something about forwarder. On the other hand, thanks for your kind
advice on my role ---It reminds me not to get deeply involved with the
customers business. I'm a banker after all. Maybe this is the principle
I need to keep in my mind.
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Topic4:
FBL
NVOCC |
In addition, I would like to take your advice for my
customers' query on freight forwarder. I think it is professional and
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are one of the best specialists in LC, I have luckily acquainted.
Best regards
Sheilar
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Kim from Denmark:
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Hi
Sheilar,
Thanks a lot for the kind words.
No need to apologize for anything.
Interesting to hear about your job. To me it
sounds interesting too. Good to hear that you write articles too - one
more argument to improve my Chinese...
I think it is true that the better knowledge you
have of transport, insurance etc. - the better you do these kinds of
jobs.
I think that the trick is to find the right
balance. I hear bankers using phrases like "I am only a stupid banker" -
like saying that they do not need to know anything - you will also meet
bankers that argue like I try to illustrate in the "logic of UCP logic"
article using core "industry arguments" on LC issues.
So to me it is a question of knowledge and
balance. So no problem demonstrating to your customers that you know
what goes on in e.g. the insurance industry - as long as you can also
tell what is the LC practice and rules on the issue in question.
Thanks
Kim
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